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After around a month on HRT some of your ranges in your [[Blood Testing|blood test]] should be within desired ranges. | After around a month on HRT some of your ranges in your [[Blood Testing|blood test]] should be within desired ranges. | ||
== Disclaimer == | |||
To clarify on '''dosages''', the values mentioned below are rather speculative and most are based on '''personal experiences''' or '''(diy)hrt pages/websites/papers'''. Therefore it is encouraged to do [[Blood Testing|blood tests]] and if possible, check with an [[Doctors#Ενδοκρινολόγοι|endocrinologist]] (we also suggest [[Doctors]] that can help with such cases), especially if you have any specific '''health conditions'''. | |||
Pricemaps are there to evaluate prices through '''[https://galinos.gr galinos.gr]''' (in case something is outdated, look for the green line that says "Λιανική") | Pricemaps are there to evaluate prices through '''[https://galinos.gr galinos.gr]''' (in case something is outdated, look for the green line that says "Λιανική") | ||
We are open to discussion and actively on-going changes in formatting and contents of this Page and Website (in general). The e-mail address to refer to is '''[email protected]''' | We are open to discussion and actively on-going changes in formatting and contents of this Page and Website (in general). The e-mail address to refer to is '''[email protected]''' | ||
== Blood Levels == | |||
==== Refer to the [[Blood Testing]] page. ==== | |||
== Transfem == | == Transfem == | ||
Taking Puberty Blockers ([[HRT#Antiandrogens and GNRH Agonists|GNRH Agonists]], e.g: Arvekap) or any Anti Androgen (e.g: Aldactone, Androcur) '''without [[HRT#Estrogens|Estrogens]]''' is generally discouraged even during youth transitioning (This is '''non-definitive''' for Enby folks) | Taking Puberty Blockers ([[HRT#Antiandrogens and GNRH Agonists|GNRH Agonists]], e.g: Arvekap) or any Anti Androgen (e.g: Aldactone, Androcur) '''without [[HRT#Estrogens|Estrogens]]''' is generally discouraged even during youth transitioning (This is '''non-definitive''' for Enby folks) | ||
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|Estradiol Valerate in pill form (e.g. Cyclacur) | |Estradiol Valerate in pill form (e.g. Cyclacur) | ||
|>=4mg/day | |>=4mg/day | ||
|It is recommended that doses are taken separately on set time intervals during the day for more stable estradiol levels, e.g. for a 6mg dose you would take 2mg per 8 hours. The sublingual way bypasses estradiol metabolism by the liver and has about 5 times the estradiol bioavailability of the oral way. This way, estradiol levels have greater range than orally (higher peak lower bottom), in oral they remain higher for ~12 hours while sublingually they go away after 3-4 hours | |It is recommended that doses are taken separately on set time intervals during the day for more stable estradiol levels, e.g. for a 6mg dose you would take 2mg per 8 hours. The sublingual way bypasses estradiol metabolism by the liver and has about 5 times the estradiol bioavailability of the oral way. This way, estradiol levels have greater range than orally (higher peak lower bottom), in oral they remain higher for ~12 hours while sublingually they go away after 3-4 hours (This however is from a study from 2005 on cis women) | ||
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* It can be used without antiandrogens or GNRH agonists in ([[HRT#Μονοθεραπεία|Monotherapy]]) by increasing the dosage. | * It can be used without antiandrogens or GNRH agonists in ([[HRT#Μονοθεραπεία|Monotherapy]]) by increasing the dosage. | ||
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|Depo-Estradiol (US only, unavailable) | |||
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====== Estradiol Cypionate (EC) ====== | |||
|Injectable | |||
|Subcutaneous or Intramuscular | |||
|~70-80€/year (not including shipping costs, syringes and alcohol swabs) | |||
| - | |||
|5-7mg/7 days | |||
('''mono dose''') | |||
? (TBD/'''dose with AA''') | |||
|? | |||
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* It can be used without antiandrogens or GNRH agonists in ([[HRT#Μονοθεραπεία|Monotherapy]]) | |||
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====== [https://www.galinos.gr/web/drugs/main/drugs/utrogestran Utrogestan] ====== | ====== [https://www.galinos.gr/web/drugs/main/drugs/utrogestran Utrogestan] ====== | ||
|Progesterone (P4) it is also referred to as prog | |Progesterone (P4) it is also referred to as prog | ||
| | |5.83 euro/30 caps (100mg) | ||
8.08 euro/15 caps (200mg) | |||
([https://www.galinos.gr/service/drugs/drawPackagePrice/7619 Pricemap]) | ([https://www.galinos.gr/service/drugs/drawPackagePrice/7619 Pricemap]) | ||
|? | |? | ||
|200mg daily (rectal administration) | |100mg or 200mg daily (rectal administration, [[Blood Testing|blood tests]] are recommended) | ||
|A | |A | ||
|Capsule | |Capsule | ||
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|Effectiveness is none to medium (Just take Dutasteride - will not stop conversion of Progesterone to DHT) | |Effectiveness is none to medium (Just take Dutasteride - will not stop conversion of Progesterone to DHT) | ||
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== Transmasc == | == Transmasc == | ||
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|Testosterone Enanthate | |Testosterone Enanthate | ||
|Injection/Ampule | |Injection/Ampule | ||
| | |Intramuscular | ||
|17.67€/ampule | |17.67€/ampule | ||
([https://www.galinos.gr/service/drugs/drawPackagePrice/4929 Pricemap]) | ([https://www.galinos.gr/service/drugs/drawPackagePrice/4929 Pricemap]) | ||
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== Legal == | == Legal == | ||
It is legal to buy anything without a diagnosis or a prescription (off the counter - OTC), Testosterone can be hit or miss, look for | It is legal to buy anything without a diagnosis or a prescription (off the counter - OTC), Testosterone can be hit or miss, look for any product names mentioned (that have links attached to them/are blue in colour) [[HRT#Testosterone|here]]. | ||
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Latest revision as of 14:02, 19 April 2025
After around a month on HRT some of your ranges in your blood test should be within desired ranges.
Disclaimer
To clarify on dosages, the values mentioned below are rather speculative and most are based on personal experiences or (diy)hrt pages/websites/papers. Therefore it is encouraged to do blood tests and if possible, check with an endocrinologist (we also suggest Doctors that can help with such cases), especially if you have any specific health conditions.
Pricemaps are there to evaluate prices through galinos.gr (in case something is outdated, look for the green line that says "Λιανική")
We are open to discussion and actively on-going changes in formatting and contents of this Page and Website (in general). The e-mail address to refer to is [email protected]
Blood Levels
Refer to the Blood Testing page.
Transfem
Taking Puberty Blockers (GNRH Agonists, e.g: Arvekap) or any Anti Androgen (e.g: Aldactone, Androcur) without Estrogens is generally discouraged even during youth transitioning (This is non-definitive for Enby folks)
Monotherapy
Type | Commercial Names | Dosage | Notes |
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Sublingual (E Valerate or Hemihydrate) |
Cyclacur (EV), Estrofem (EH, imported), Trisequens (12 pills 2mg EH, 10 pills norgestrel, 6 pills 1mg EH) | >=8-12mg/day | While it is possible, even with a smaller dosage (at least 6mg), it's not that common. Ideally, use your blood tests to minmax your doses. |
Injectable Estradiol Valerate (EV) |
Neofollin (can be ordered from pharmacies near Czechia, or aptekaapo.com but they’re not on hrtcafe, not tested in Greece), Delestrogen (Vial, unavailable), Progynon Depot (Ampules, unavailable), ![]() |
5-7mg/5 days |
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Injectable Estradiol Cypionate (EC) |
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5-7mg/7 days |
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Injectable Estradiol Enanthate (EEn) |
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4-7mg/7 days
7-10mg/10 days (7.2mg usually, depending on the vial, it's optimal because drawing cents of mL are hard to get right) |
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Injectable Estradiol Undecylate (EU/EUn) |
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There's not enough information on dosage. The frequency of those may differ according to the oil used (MCT/Castor oil). Indicative Dosages:
15-20mg/2 weeks 20-40mg+/4 weeks |
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* = It has been mentioned that syringes account for dead space, although that is not 100% certain.
Sublingual vs Oral
Method | Substance | Dosage | Observations |
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Oral |
Estradiol Valerate in pill form (e.g. Cyclacur) | >=6mg/day
(max 10mg as per Dr. Powers) |
It is recommended that doses are taken separately on set time intervals during the day for more stable estradiol levels, e.g. for a 6mg dose you would take 2mg per 8 hours. By the oral route the active substance is metabolized by the liver and part of it is converted to estrone (E1), which has much less feminizing effects than estradiol (E2) so the desired effect is essentially prevented. The bioavailability of estradiol by oral administration is very low (~5%) and usually lower levels of E2 are observed in blood tests than other methods of administration. [anecdotal apo to server, wikipedia kai tttt - correct/expand?] It is also necessary to administer anti-androgens to reduce testosterone levels to the female range. |
Sublingual |
Estradiol Valerate in pill form (e.g. Cyclacur) | >=4mg/day | It is recommended that doses are taken separately on set time intervals during the day for more stable estradiol levels, e.g. for a 6mg dose you would take 2mg per 8 hours. The sublingual way bypasses estradiol metabolism by the liver and has about 5 times the estradiol bioavailability of the oral way. This way, estradiol levels have greater range than orally (higher peak lower bottom), in oral they remain higher for ~12 hours while sublingually they go away after 3-4 hours (This however is from a study from 2005 on cis women) |
Vial info
Medications
For cyclacur: take only the white pills, the brown pills are Norgestrel which have 0.5mg of estradiol but has an androgenic effect and may also cause other side effects.
Estrogens
Brand Name(s) | Substance | Form | Method of Administration | Cost | Cost with Healthcare Coverage | Dosage | Safety | Notes |
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Cyclacur |
Estradiol Valerate (EV) | Pill tablet | Orally or sublingually | 2.01€ for 11 pills (Pricemap)
~130.8-328.€/year ~10.9-27.4€/month Prices are indicative, the cost depends on the dosage. |
- | 6mg-10mg/day (according to Dr. Will Powers)
4mg-8mg/day (according to Greek Endocrinologists) |
A |
|
Progynova |
Estradiol Valerate (EV) | Pill tablet | Orally or sublingually | ~22€ for 72 pills of 1 mg or ~32€ for 72 pills of 2 mg
Prices are indicative, the cost depends on the dosage. |
- | 4mg-8mg/day | A |
|
Estrofem, Estrifam (german brand name), Trisequens |
Estradiol Hemihydrate | Pill tablet | Orally or sublingually | ~30€ for 28 pills of 2 mg without shipping costs.
Prices are indicative, the cost depends on the dosage. |
- | 4mg-8mg/day | A |
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Dermestril |
Estradiol Hemihydrate | Patch | Trans-dermally | 44€ for 24 patches of 100mcg
~15€ for 8 patches of 50mcg |
- | 50mcg/3.5 days (when starting off)
100mcg/3.5 days (whenever your e2 levels are stable) |
A |
|
Neofollin (can be ordered from pharmacies near Czechia, not tested in Greece), Delestrogen (Vial, unavailable), Progynon Depot (Ampules, unavailable) |
Estradiol Valerate (EV) |
Injectable | Subcutaneous or Intramuscular | 80€/year (including shipping costs, syringes and alcohol swabs) | - | 5-7mg/5 days (monotherapy)
4-5mg/7 days (only in combination with an antiandrogen or GNRH agonist) |
A+ |
|
Depo-Estradiol (US only, unavailable) |
Estradiol Cypionate (EC) |
Injectable | Subcutaneous or Intramuscular | ~70-80€/year (not including shipping costs, syringes and alcohol swabs) | - | 5-7mg/7 days
(mono dose) ? (TBD/dose with AA) |
? |
|
- |
Estradiol Enanthate (EEn) |
Injectable | Subcutaneous or Intramuscular | 80€/year (including shipping costs, syringes and alcohol swabs) | - | 2.5mg-7mg/7 days
(usual dosage: 4mg/7days) |
A+ |
|
- |
Estradiol Undecylate (EU, EUn) |
Injectable | Subcutaneous or Intramuscular | 130€/year (including shipping costs, syringes and alcohol swabs) | - | 15-20mg/2 weeks
20-40mg+/4 weeks |
A+ |
|
Anti-Androgens and GNRH Agonists
These should not be taken sublingually.
Brand Name(s) | Substance | Cost | Cost with Healthcare Coverage | Dosage | Safety | Form | Type | Notes |
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Androcur |
Cyproterone Acetate (CPA) is also referred to as cypro | 21.58€/50mg * 50 pills
19.7-31.5€/year (Pricemap) |
? | 12.5mg/2 days- 10mg/day
Larger doses shouldn't be administered |
C | Pill tablet | Progestin (Steroidal antiandrogen)
Stops testosterone production. |
The max recommended dosage is 10mg/day . Monitoring of prolactin levels is recommended through blood testing.
Many doctors give overdoses of 50 mg/day. Cyproterone is a strong anti-androgen and testosterone suppression is possible with lower doses. A change of doctor is recommended.
Testosterone suppression can be achieved with even lower doses, however a 50 mg pill is difficult to cut into pieces of less than 12.5 mg even with a pill cutter. |
Bicalut |
Bicalutamide (aka: bica) | 29.10 euro/30 pills
29.10 euro/month ~350 euro/year
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6.77 euro/month (28 tabs)
~95 euro/year |
50mg/day | A- | Pill/Tablet | Androgen receptor antagonist (Nonsteroidal antiandrogen)
Blocks absorption of all androgens (including testosterone) |
Serious negative interactions can be noted if combined with other anti-androgens and GNRH agonists (except progesterone)
Very rare chance for recoverable and non-fatal liver damage for people with a certain rare mutation. Most of the effects listen in the instruction manual are scaremongering. (it lists a very high chance of liver issues when they are actually very rare, and also lists photosensitivity, which if it even occurs at all, it should be quite rare. We are aware of nobody who had a negative interction between alexandrite laser hair removal and bicalutamide). Note that bicalutamide, unlike most other anti-androgens, does not lower testosterone levels, in fact they usually rise as the body responds to testosterone receptors being inhibited. Do not be alarmed if you notice an increase of testosterone in your blood tests. |
Arvekap |
Triptorelin | - | ~200/year? | A? | Injection | GNRH Agonist
(indirectly) Stops testosterone AND estrogen production |
Also a puberty blocker | |
Aldactone |
Spironolactone | 5.19 euro/20 tabs (100mg)
(Pricemap) |
? | 50mg-200mg/day | B-C | Tablet | Antimineralocorticoid/MCRA | Very inefficient, makes you pee, it's a medication for blood pressure |
Flutamide | F--- | Only in this table as an example to avoid |
Miscellaneous/Progesterone
Progesterone falls under this category, as it is not quite the same as other Anti-Androgens, the mention of Progesterone in this title is necessary in order to reduce confusion and questions such as "Where is progesterone?" and "Did you remove prog from the page?".
Brand Name(s) | Substance | Cost | Cost with Healthcare Coverage | Dosage | Safety | Form | Type | Notes |
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Utrogestan |
Progesterone (P4) it is also referred to as prog | 5.83 euro/30 caps (100mg)
8.08 euro/15 caps (200mg) (Pricemap) |
? | 100mg or 200mg daily (rectal administration, blood tests are recommended) | A | Capsule | Stops testosterone production. | There is not much confirmed information about progesterone.
It can also be taken orally but the absorption rate is very low. Anecdotal claims:
It can have androgenic or other (non-serious, recoverable) effects for some individuals - in particular it can be converted to DHT by the body even in combination with dutasteride or bicalutamide. |
Other anti-androgens (optional)
These are used to block conversion of other androgens to DHT (which causes hair loss (hair) and body hair growth). They aren't general use Anti-Androgens.
Brand Name(s) | Substance | Cost | Cost with Healthcare Coverage | Dosage | Safety | Form | Type | Notes |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Dastidem, Rafuster, Duaride, Dustezor |
Dutasteride | 7.90€/30 caps | ~6€/30 caps | 0.5mg/day (?/TBD) | A- | Capsule | - | High effectiveness. |
- | Finasteride | - | - | - | F | - | - | Effectiveness is none to medium (Just take Dutasteride - will not stop conversion of Progesterone to DHT) |
Transmasc
Medications
Testosterone
Galinos.gr's testosterone availability page
Brand Name(s) | Substance | Form | Method of Administration | Cost | Cost with Healthcare Coverage | Dosage | Safety | Notes |
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Norma |
Testosterone Enanthate | Injection/Ampule | Intramuscular | 17.67€/ampule
(Pricemap) |
? | ? | ? | - |
Nebido |
Testosterone Undecanoate | Injection/Vial | Intramuscular | 100.37€/vial
(Pricemap) |
~32.52€/vial (you pay 25%) | 1 vial (1000mg/4mL)/10-20 weeks | A | As a starting dose after a year of HRT, you could also consider:
|
Tostran |
Testogel | Gel | Trans-dermally | Starting dose
30 mg dose
40 mg dose
(Pricemap) |
35.54€ -> 8.89€ | 20mg/day (starting dose)
30-40mg/day |
A |
|
GNRH Agonists
Brand Name(s) | Substance | Cost | Cost with Healthcare Coverage | Dosage | Safety | Form | Type | Notes |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Arvekap |
Triptorelin | - | ~200/year? | A? | Injection | GNRH Agonist
(indirectly) Stops testosterone AND estrogen production |
Also a puberty blocker |
Other anti-androgens (optional)
These are used to block conversion of other androgens to DHT (which causes hair loss (hair) and body hair growth). They aren't general use Anti-Androgens.
Brand Name(s) | Substance | Cost | Cost with Healthcare Coverage | Dosage | Safety | Form | Type | Notes |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Dastidem, Rafuster, Duaride, Dustezor |
Dutasteride | 7.90€/30 caps | ~6€/30 caps | 0.5mg/day (?/TBD) | A- | Capsule | - | High effectiveness.
Not to be confused with proper Anti-Androgens. |
Nonbinary hrt *under construction*
!!! disclaimer-warning about potential issues !!!
General outline of nb hrt for amab and afab
Medications
Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators (SERMs)
- Tamoxifen is a selective estrogen receptor modulator (SERM). In some tissues such as the brain it activates estrogen receptors, which may help reduce dysphoria. In breast tissue it antagonizes estrogen receptors, preventing the formation of breast tissue if desired. There is some evidence that Tamoxifen inhibits memory, though the effects of taking it alongside regular estrogen are undocumented. Tamoxifen can cause cognitive dysfunction and increase your risk of stroke and pulmonary embolism. Tamoxifen may also be taken alongside 17β-estradiol, more research is needed. In this combination, estradiol should still have its effects (combating dysphoria in the brain, redistribution of body fat, smoother skin etc.) while tamoxifen prevents the growth of breast tissue.
- Raloxifene is another SERM. It is an estrogen receptor antagonist in breast tissue. It is an estrogen receptor agonist in bone and can be used to prevent osteoporosis. Raloxifene has been shown to reduce ERα expression in breast tissue in premenopausal women. As the synthesis of progesterone receptors (PR) is estrogen-regulated, raloxifene also decreases the expression of PR. Additionally, it was shown to decrease the presence of Ki-67, a biomarker for cell proliferation, in breast tissue of premenopausal women. As a result, it can be used to treat gynecomastia, and has been shown effective in reducing breast size in those with the condition. Raloxifene may promote feminine fat distribution: in a study on 56-66 year old postmenopausal women, there was an increase in fat in the legs and buttocks and a decrease in fat in the abdomen and trunk after 1 year on 60 mg/day raloxifene. It is not yet known how pronounced this effect is, as there have been no comparisons of body fat distribution between raloxifene and estradiol. Raloxifene may increase the risk of stroke and pulmonary embolism.
- Afimoxifene is a topical SERM and the primary metabolite of tamoxifen.
Anti-androgens
Bicalutamide
Bicalutamide is an anti-androgen which is used mainly in the treatment of prostate cancer but can also be used to treat hirsutism, or as a component of hormone therapy in feminizing HRT, among other uses. It is nonsteroidal anti-androgen and a selective/pure antagonist of the androgen receptor. It has no other hormonal activity and does not lower androgen levels. Bicalutamide crosses the blood-brain barrier and blocks the effects of testosterone and dihydrotestosterone (DHT) both in the body and in the brain. While it has been observed that bicalutamide does not cross the blood-brain barrier in rats and dogs, this was found not to be the case in humans
In general Ralox seems the best idea based on overall effectiveness and less severe side effects compared to other SERMs. Most people on this kind of MtNB hrt seem to be using a combination of ralox (in place of estradiol) and bica [expand this + powers e1s schizo stuff?]
Legal
It is legal to buy anything without a diagnosis or a prescription (off the counter - OTC), Testosterone can be hit or miss, look for any product names mentioned (that have links attached to them/are blue in colour) here.
You can also check the Trans-Friendly Pharmacies Map for any pharmacies near you (this goes for both Transfem and Transmasc HRT).
There is no minimum or maximum legal age for someone to start HRT.
It is not legally mandatory for someone to have a diagnosis by a psychiatrist in order to medically transition.
There is no legally mandatory time restriction for a psychiatrist to monitor you before diagnosing you.
You don't legally need to be on HRT in order to be exempt from the army, change your legal sex, or to have a surgery.
Other resources
- Simulator: https://www.estrannai.se/
- https://transfemscience.org/ (note, the authors of this site disagree with a lot of what they are saying, regardless, it is still interesting)
- Introduction to Hormone Therapy for Transfeminine People: https://transfemscience.org/articles/transfem-intro/
- Older simulator: https://transfemscience.org/misc/injectable-e2-simulator/
- Dosage calculator: https://transfemscience.org/misc/injectable-dose-vol-conc-conv/
- https://diyhrt.wiki/ (alt link: https://anarch.cc/transfeminine-diy-hrt-the-ultimate-guide-2/)
- https://hrtcafe.net/
- ?? https://hrt.coffee/
- https://www.reddit.com/r/TransDIY/
- https://www.reddit.com/r/TransfemScience/
- https://groups.io/g/MTFHRT/wiki/29602 (alt link: https://anarch.cc/mtf-hrt-ultimate-diy/)
- https://hrt.cat/ - info for making your own (you will probably not need it - version 1.0: https://hrtcafe.net/hrtcat/)
- https://archive.ph/uQb8g (alt link: https://anarch.cc/making-your-own-injections/, as above)
- https://crimethinc.com/2022/12/15/producing-transdermal-estrogen-a-do-it-yourself-guide (alt link: https://anarch.cc/producing-transdermal-estrogen-a-do-it-yourself-guide/, as above)
- https://archive.ph/cpy7k (alt link: https://anarch.cc/homebrewing-hormones-mtf-guide/, as above)